ELCC Computer Club

General Meeting Minutes

2 December, 2005

 

Quote of the day:

E-mail, when it absolutely, positively has to get lost at the speed of light - Jerry Vuoso (www.gdargaud.net/Humor/QuotesComputer.html>)

The meeting opened at 10:00 AM with 34 members in attendance.  John Barker told a cute joke about a doctor and an invisible patient and showed a movie of Xmas lights. 

He asked for a volunteer to make a list of candidates for the 2006 Executive Committee.  This is an easy task.  During the next meeting, nominations are called for the position of President, VP, Treasurer, Recording Secretary, Membership Secretary, etc.  As each person is nominated and seconded, their name is added to the list by position desired.  When the list is complete, each nominee is asked if they accept the nomination.  If declined, their name is removed from the list.

Then, at the first meeting in January, the elections are held based on the revised list, the votes counted and the results read.  No one volunteered at this time, but if interested please Email us at elliotlakecc@canada.com before December 16th.

He then opened the floor to questions:

Name
Q&A
Details
OS
M.I.G.S. Q Using Windows ME, all of a sudden I have to login with a password.  How do I turn it back off?  ME
John Sturges A If memory serves, go to Start > Settings > Control Panel > Passwords, and turn on auto login.  You can also go to the Windows ME Help and search for “Login”.  You may also have Malware, this type of behavior sounds suspicious.  
M.I.G.S. Q Lately I've been getting a Zone Alarm  program update warning.  I have been clicking on Cancel.  How do I make it stop? All
John Sturges A Download the latest version of Zone Alarm Pro.  When you install it, it will ask if you want to install the ZA Pro 30 day trial or the Free ZA version.  Choose the free one and finish the install.  
Stan Black Q Can I use a hardware Router and ZA at the same time? All
John Sturges A

Hardware Routers are about 100 times better firewalls than  software firewalls because they will only allow traffic they  are aware of to get from the web on to your PC.  They don't block outbound traffic.

You don't need ZA, but you may want to see what programs are trying to “Phone Home”.

 
Al Q When I tried to install Lotus Suite it didn't install properly.  So I tried to install it again and now I get Windows errors.  BTW, my system is a mess with lots of strange things happening.  All
John Sturges A

You probably have Malware on your system and you should clean up all the bad stuff first.  When you tried to install LS the first time, the malware may have interfered and you likely had an incomplete install. 

There may be some folders inside the Program Files folder on Drive C: with a name like Lotus Suite (or?) that contain data that is preventing you from installing again.  Find the folder and rename it to something like “Lotus Suite Old” and then try to install it again. 

If successful, delete the folder “Lotus Suite Old”.

 
M.I.G.S. Q What is Back Web and how did it get on my system?  I have un-installed it many times, but it keeps coming back. All
John Sturges A

Back Web is a nasty piece of spyware that can be very difficult to remove.  Go to google and search for “Remove back web” to find the un-install procedure.   Then follow it step by step.

You may also have to disable and then enable System Restore.  Go to: Start > Control Panel > System > click on the Restore Tab and check the Disable box...

 
M.I.G.S. Q What is Kazaa and how do I remove it? All
John Sturges   Kazaa is a peer to peer file sharing tool like the old Napster and it exposes your PC to tons of spyware.  It is also hard to remove.  Refer to the previous answer and google search for “Remove Kazaa”.  Then refer to the previous answer..  

11:00 AM: Virtual Coffee Break

Re-convened at 11:15AM.

John Sturges did a presentation on ZA, Rootkit Revealer and using a Security folder to simplify the security testing process.  See the tutorial at the end of these minutes.

Questions Continued:

Name
Q&A
Details
OS
M.I.G.S. Q You recommend that we don't use Outlook express.  My Internet Service Provider (ISP) is Sympatico.  What should we use instead? All
John Sturges A Go directly to your I.S.P.'s home page and look for a link to their Web Mail.  Log in using the user name and password they gave you.  Then you should be able to access your mail directly on their mail server.  
Terry Q Are their alternatives to using your ISP's Web Mail? A
John Sturges A

Yahoo, Gmail and MSN are examples of free web based Email providers.  You don't need Outlook Express or any other Email client to use them.  And if you change your ISP your Email address stays the same. 

For example:

YahooMail

Click the Mail Icon and you should see this:

YahooMail

 
Al Q If my PC is infected with malware and I copy a file to floppy will the floppy be infected too? All
John Sturges A

If the file you copied to floppy was infected before you copied it, yes. 

If you scan the file with AVG before you copy it to floppy, it should be OK. To scan any single file with AVG, right-click on file and choose “Scan with AVG...”.  Then copy the clean file to floppy.

 

Have you ever received an Email attachment you couldn't open?  It may be because Windows has lost it's file association information.  This means that Windows doesn't recognize the letters to the right of the dot and doesn't know what program to use to open the file.

For example, for a filename such as send2deb.bak, the “.bak” part is called the file extension.

How to Change File Associations:

FileAssn1

If you get this error, choose select... and click OK. You should see a list like this >

Fileassn2

Right-click on the file to see this too.

Try each of the programs listed.  If this doesn't work, go to www.fileextensions.com and look up the extension for more information.  If all else fails, ask the Email sender to save the file in a standard format (rtf, txt, jpg, gif, pdf, etc.) and resend it to you.  Most word processors  can do this if they choose File > Save as...  There is one exception, Open Office can save documents as PDF files, but MS-Word can't unless Word users install a tool such as Cute PDF.

“Best XP Freeware” is now available and lists descriptions and links to most of the software we use.  Go to  www.elliotlakecomputerclub.com and click on the “We Recommend” button and look for the last entry on the page.

11:59AM: Meeting adjourned.

Zone Alarm Tips & Tricks

ZoneAlarm

Zone Alarm Security Alert Screen

ProgCntl

Open Zone Alarm and click on Program Control, then click on the Programs Tab.

ZoneAlarmSec2

RemoveEntry

To remove any entry allowed in error.

To bring all of the previous Security Tutorials together:

Create a new folder on your desktop called “Security”.

Drag and Drop each Desktop Security Icon into the Security folder and rename as shown:

SecurityTab
Then open the folder and choose item 1 and choose the Custom Button.Download,
When finished, do 2 to remove unnecessary files.
When finished, do 3 and Check for Updates then Scan.(never install more then one Anti-virus program on your PC)
When finished, 4, 5 and 6 can be run at the same time.
Check for Updates then Scan for each.
When finished, click on Immunize in Spybot and click on the green [+].
When finished, open 7 and Check for Updates then Enable all protection.
I recommend that you run all of the above tests at least twice a week.
install and run item 8 at least once a week.  Root kits are a new malware threat and are very difficult to remove.
Rootkit

(If you find a root kit, go to google to identify and learn how to remove it.)

Tip:  Keep all your security programs in the “LatestPrograms” folder and check for newer versions once a month.  You may also want to save all of my tutorials in the “ReadMe” folder for future reference.

Note:  All tutorials are available from the Archives at the ELCC website.  They are included in the August through November, 2005 minutes.

Tip:  To change the Security folder to a padlock, right-click on it and choose Properties.  Click on the Customize Tab, then click on the Change Icon Button and look for the padlock or choose your favourite from the list.

If you follow these steps faithfully, your system should remain Malware free. 

For more information:

John Sturges is pleased to announce that the Little Red Schoolhouse is open.

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  • Replace Microsoft Word For Free
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Call (705) 461-9009 for more information, schedule, and pricing or jnsturges@yahoo.ca.

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